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DifferentialEquation posted...
Trump didn't set back race relations. Despite what you probably heard from CNN, Trump was not behind the wheel of the car and had noting to do with the rally. Indeed he did. He needed to be prodded into denouncing racists. Go back to your gimmick please, it was way better
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I don't even get why people say this. Most of the racial tension during his presidency started with people who didn't want a black President
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eston posted...
I don't even get why people say this. Most of the racial tension during his presidency started with people who didn't want a black President Exactly. Some American citizens set back race relations, not Obama. These uniformed people cannot give you a single example of how he supposedly did this, either.
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YourAlt posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...He did doe FrisbeeDude posted... UnfairRepresent posted...He did doe I think the fact you both jump to "NO THE EVIL WHITE CONSERVATIVE DEVIL WAS JUST FURIOUS AT THE BLACK MAN!" Just demonstates how set back you both are in race relations like millions of others. Intentionally or not Obama made a big deal about viewing/judging differently based on race, especially "White" and "Black" people. Which is going black from the promotion of colorblindness that had began in the 60s and grew to huge heights by 2004. Now we live in a world were people are trying to promote segregation again, and you literally can't even defend progressivism without ranting about "the white man." says it all there. Last weekend American Nazis marched down the street like it was the 1930s
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
YourAlt posted...UnfairRepresent posted...He did doe "Just demonstates how set back you both are in race relations like millions of others." Lol, what a dumb and meaningless response.
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Yet you had no counter for it. Which again, says it all.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Just demonstates how set back you both are in race relations like millions of others. I mean, that's what happened. Republicans made a big deal out of his birth certificate because he wasn't American enough. They used Kenyan as an insult. They used Muslim as an insult. They went heavy on voter suppression tactics. Their new candidate brought back Nixon's southern strategy to win. Race relations were set back because we had a black president, voted in heavily by a black constituency, not because of Obama specifically.
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UnfairRepresent posted...Just demonstates how set back you both are in race relations like millions of others. So in other words: Obama's presidency set race relations back.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yet you had no counter for it. Which again, says it all. Because you are wrong. It is angry white men who are setting back race relations. You were wrong. Suitable counter for you?
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YourAlt posted...
Again, going "Race relations aren't set back it's just whities being idiots as usual." just literally right there shows that race relations have been set back. That would have been considered an absurd racist thing to say in 2006 and gotten you strange looks.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
The Deadpool posted...UnfairRepresent posted...Just demonstates how set back you both are in race relations like millions of others. If you really want to go down that route, Obama had nothing to do with that. Those were all dumbasses clinging to any shred of bulls*** they could find because they hated the idea of a Black President. Trump included. |
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Can we just ignore Unfair's gimmick for once?
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yet you had no counter for it. Which again, says it all. You don't deserve it but here goes. UnfairRepresent posted... I think the fact you both jump to "NO THE EVIL WHITE CONSERVATIVE DEVIL WAS JUST FURIOUS AT THE BLACK MAN!" This is just a straight ad hominem. UnfairRepresent posted... Intentionally or not... Non sequitur. UnfairRepresent posted... Which is going black from the promotion of colorblindness that had began in the 60s and grew to huge heights by 2004. I'm not convinced color blindness is a good thing. Lots of racists claim to be it. UnfairRepresent posted... Now we live in a world were people are trying to promote segregation again, and you literally can't even defend progressivism without ranting about "the white man." says it all there. You can't just blame all this on Obama. Correlation is not causation. They don't even correlate.
Ad Hominem.
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This seems relevant: https://twitter.com/CarrieNBCNews/status/897153043338276865
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Solar_Crimson posted...
That's debatable. It's a matter of opinion. Those were all dumbasses clinging to any shred of bulls*** they could find because they hated the idea of a Black President. Trump included. And a stronger leader would have quelled that. Remember JFK was hated on because he was Catholic. Know how that bias died down? Because he didn't make a big deal about it and act like there was a divide amongst people. He just treated as Christians as the same. Imagine the backlash that would have occured if JFK did a "Some people just hate me because I am Catholic" speech like Obama literally did: True or not, what do you think the resut of such division is going to be?
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Yeah, I feel like the people who were trying to discredit his American citizenship by claiming he was born in Kenya, calling him a Muslim to smear him and trumpeting "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" were the people setting back race relations.
Obama was articulate, charismatic and he got s*** done - more s*** than I can probably list - and a lot of small stuff was accomplished by the Senate during his presidency that Trump's cabinet is trying to strip away, like a law allowing nursing homes to be directly challenged in a court of law for negligence. The people who maintained that he was worsening race relations and driving the American people apart were the people emphasising his middle name to associate him with Saddam Hussein, and people who saw the color of his skin, learned the heritage of his parents, and tried to maintain that he wasn't born on American soil because his folks came from Kenya. The latter party, funnily enough, was led by Donald Trump.
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Webmaster4531 posted...
And boom. This is what the duration of the Obama presidency has caused millions to believe. The same attitude of the 1900s-1960s In other words, race relations have regressed. Although they would have phrased it in different wording obviously
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I don't even get why people say this. Most of the racial tension during his presidency started with people who didn't want a black President Not really. During Obama's presidency, Democrats changed the standard of racism towards black people from treating people badly/unfairly because they're black to disagreeing with Obama.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Webmaster4531 posted... Steven Colbert did color blindness jokes way before Obama.
Ad Hominem.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Webmaster4531 posted... The Obama presidency brought an end to people making specious overtures to colorblindedness? Damn you, Barack Obama!
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Which is going black from the promotion of colorblindness that had began in the 60s and grew to huge heights by 2004. Relatedly: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/todays-racial-wealth-gap-is-wider-than-in-the-1960s/ We don't have colorblind problems.
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A majority of Americans say race relations worsen under Obama, and will only continue to get worse under Trump. As for Obama specifically, I can see why people say it. Take Trayvon Martin for example: when Obama said "If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon.". Obviously that would divide a nation since half the people think Trayvon did nothing wrong while the other half think Trayvon was the one at fault. There was nothing unifying about that statement. Now we have Trump. Oh boy.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
And now your tune has changed. "Obama never set us back!"" is "I like the fact Obama set us back because the old attitude was better than the new one" And the saddest part is you cant even see it.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted... Pretty sure the point in contention is that you're assigning Obama the blame for racists being racist.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
You're projecting. emblem boy posted... Is the idea that because Obama talked about it, he set it back? race relations have always been bad for a long time, actually talking about something thay exists shouldn't really be considered a negative He talked about it and promoted it in a way that caused it revert backwards. IF he had talked about and promoted it in aw ay that caused progression to continue, then his presidency wouldn't have set race relations back This is quite simple
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DifferentialEquation posted...
eston posted...I don't even get why people say this. Most of the racial tension during his presidency started with people who didn't want a black President This was a popular deflection from people whose racism was being called out, but no, liberals never claimed people were racist solely for disagreeing with Obama |
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UnfairRepresent posted...
He talked about it and promoted it in a way that caused it revert backwards. What would be some examples for both?
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emblem boy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...He talked about it and promoted it in a way that caused it revert backwards. Well that's purely a matter of speculation. There are no solid answers to that. But in my opinion: Well i already mentioned the fact he literally did speeches about being black and about how people don't like him because he was black. Making a big big big big big deal about your skin color and how different you are and how you're seperate from others because of it just reinforces walls between people. Others have already mentioned his refusal to condemn Trayvon Martin for attempting to murder an innocent man while a very confused, divided and scared America looked at him for guidance. He just p****footed both the emootional and the reasonable sides into further seperation. His open support of the Black Lives Matter faction that was intentionally trying to divide people. Basically every time (which was bi-monthly if not bi-weekly) he made it a vitally relevant fact whether or not the people or issue he was dealing with was about black or white people and how different they are. Also the ultimate irony of barely even mentioning anyone who wasn't white or black. Just focusing on those groups. To find Obama even mention Asian people or Hispanic people you have to search for speeches directly at centers or groups designed for Asian or hispanic crowds. Yet if it was a speech about Healthcare or trade he'd find a way to bring white and black into it. On the flip-side I already gave the JFK Example. How easy it would have been for him to make people hate Catholics more. I think if Obama had never made a big deal about "Black and white" treated people as people. Did speeches and made points as if everyone on Earth was green and just laughed off the racists who hated him instead of making a big deal about them (and thus legitimazing the seperation and division they claim existed) it got brought back. Imagine a world where instead of getting on a mic in front of millions and going "People hate me because I am black." a man says "Hey maybe we shouldn't put people in prison for smoking pot." And then imagine how people 5 years down the line act differently due to those statements
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UnfairRepresent posted...
emblem boy posted...UnfairRepresent posted...He talked about it and promoted it in a way that caused it revert backwards. There were people who didn't like him for being black. I can't agree with your reasoning that talking about a matter that exists is some how negative. So sure, maybe you can say him talking about race put race relations in a spotlight and you can say it increased racial tension, but I don't see that as a negative, if the alternative is to ignore the issue that clearly exists. Is your statement about it being bi monthly or bi weekly an exaggeration?
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emblem boy posted...
There were people who didn't like him for being black. I can't agree with your reasoning that talking about a matter that exists is some how negative.
So you think if JFK had one speeches about how is Catholic and people hate him because he is Catholic, that wouldn't have resulted in a bigger divide between Catholics and non-Catholics?
And you will never answer that question.
So sure, maybe you can say him talking about race put race relations in a spotlight and you can say it increased racial tension, but I don't see that as a negative, if the alternative is to ignore the issue that clearly exists.
That's your opinion.
I would argue it's a stupid one though. There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."
And I think you know that considering what pieces you choose to reply to and what you choose to ignore. Just like Obama^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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I'd argue it's even harder than that.
At least Christians and Muslims and Jews can enjoy the olive Branch of being Children of the book who all share monotheistic male-dominated beliefs that share dozens of stories and morals.
You can sell Allah to Christians as just a misunderstanding of Yahweh.
You can't do the same to a racial supremacist.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgUnfairRepresent posted...
So you think if JFK had one speeches about how is Catholic and people hate him because he is Catholic, that wouldn't have resulted in a bigger divide between Catholics and non-Catholics?
If it results in a bigger divide, then it results in a bigger divide. My point was that not talking about an issue that exists, so you don't create tensions isn't a positive. Are there times when it's best to do it and times when it's not? Of course.
UnfairRepresent posted...That's your opinion.
I would argue it's a stupid one though. There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."
And I think you know that considering what pieces you choose to reply to and what you choose to ignore. Just like Obama
I didn't reply to the examples you had because I agree with some of them. Could he have handled the trayvon Martin and the BLM situation better, of course.
and I have no response for the other examples right now because I don't have the stats. I don't think he made racial remakes bi weekly, and I can't search through all his speeches right now for his mentions of other minority groups, so I can't really comment on those.Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1UnfairRepresent posted...There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."
And I don't get this statement. Are you saying it's not a simple right and wrong issue? If so, of course I agree there's grey areasPosted with GameRaven 3.2.1emblem boy posted...
If it results in a bigger divide, then it results in a bigger divide.
Which sets relations blackMy point was that not talking about an issue that exists, isn't a positive.
Which is debatable to begin with and secondly, it's not an either/or choice.
Neil deGrasse Tyson summed this up very well when people kept asking him "Oh so what's it like being the represenative of black people as the black science guy you black man who is pushing boundires of race because you are black."
It's not helping.
emblem boy posted...
and I have no response for the other examples right now because I don't have the stats. I don't think he made racial remakes bi weekly, and I can't search through all his speeches right now for his mentions of other minority groups, so I can't really comment on those.
It's not so much about minority groups.
It's just pointing out that he made a big big deal about "Black and White" yet barely mentioned anyone or anything that wasnt black or white.
Which instantly tells you something about division.
Chinese-Americans and Anglo-Americans arent feeling the same tension that is being felt by African Amerians and Anglo Americans right now. Nor are they sharing the same depressing statistics of education and crime, nor are they calling for segregation.
I was about to say there's no "Chinese lives matter" group but on second thought there almost certainally is But there is no CLM faction of importance or note
This all should tell you something about "race relations"over the past decade^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgemblem boy posted...UnfairRepresent posted...
There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."
And I don't get this statement. Are you saying it's not a simple right and wrong issue? If so, of course I agree there's grey areas
The subejct is racial tension, race relations and what cause them to progress or regress.
I don't think there is such a thing as a right or wrong answer.
But for the record I was saying that it isn't black or white as you implied it (no pun intended)
I say it helped promote a divide when you stand on a stage in front of thousands with millions watching worldwide on screens and say "People don't like me because I am black!"
And you say "Well the alternative is to ignore everything!"
And I reject that those are the only two options, regardless of which option is the "right" one.
Going back to JFK he never ignored his faith, he was proud of it. So much so that it annoyed his campaigners who wanted him to hide it.
But he also never did speeches about how people hated him because he was Catholic, even though it's probably true. Because they don't do anything apart from draw lines and build walls.
Now in the 21st century hardly anyone hates Catholics to the extent that when Atheists attack them for their global protection of child rapists people get angry at the Atheists for bringing it up not the Cathoics for defending and allowing it.
What does that tell you about hatred disolving? and JFK had a hand in that.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgUnfairRepresent posted...I say it helped promote a divide when you stand on a stage in front of thousands with millions watching worldwide on screens and say "People don't like me because I am black!"
Does it? Is honesty really the problem?
I mean is "openly arguing about it all the time" a step BACK from "quietly enduring it all the time"? Or is it a step FORWARD?
Problems don't get solved when you pretend they don't exist.We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons.UnfairRepresent posted...emblem boy posted...
If it results in a bigger divide, then it results in a bigger divide.
Which sets relations blackMy point was that not talking about an issue that exists, isn't a positive.
Which is debatable to begin with and secondly, it's not an either/or choice.
Neil deGrasse Tyson summed this up very well when people kept asking him "Oh so what's it like being the represenative of black people as the black science guy you black man who is pushing boundires of race because you are black."
It's not helping.
emblem boy posted...
and I have no response for the other examples right now because I don't have the stats. I don't think he made racial remakes bi weekly, and I can't search through all his speeches right now for his mentions of other minority groups, so I can't really comment on those.
It's not so much about minority groups.
It's just pointing out that he made a big big deal about "Black and White" yet barely mentioned anyone or anything that wasnt black or white.
Which instantly tells you something about division.
Chinese-Americans and Anglo-Americans arent feeling the same tension that is being felt by African Amerians and Anglo Americans right now. Nor are they sharing the same depressing statistics of education and crime, nor are they calling for segregation.
I was about to say there's no "Chinese lives matter" group but on second thought there almost certainally is But there is no CLM faction of importance or note
This all should tell you something about "race relations"over the past decade
See from what I remember from his speeches, he did not only focus on black or white people. So again, I have no real response for that. We're obviously remembering different things.
What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?Posted with GameRaven 3.2.1emblem boy posted...
What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?
That there is a sense of division and seperation and identity between "The black people" and "the white people" that is not shared between other "races"
And that intentionally or not, the Obama prediency has caused that to grow. To the extent that we now in the 21st century have the return of American Nazis in the street, race riots and people promoting segregation.
In this very topic the people claiming to be the non-racist progressives ran to the table screaming about the evil white men.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgYou have no idea how important it was for lil black kids to see Obama address them. You never will understand the significance a Black President acknowledging he's been a victim of racism and understands them. White people don't care. They could never understand the significance of Obama being elected twice .They can never understand what it's like to have a President that understands you and knows your needs.Now Watching: Rome
Now Playing: Fallout 4 for the Xth timeUnfairRepresent posted...emblem boy posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
There is more to life than "Ignore everything" and "Make massive massive divides and splits and big deals about specific things."
And I don't get this statement. Are you saying it's not a simple right and wrong issue? If so, of course I agree there's grey areas
The subejct is racial tension, race relations and what cause them to progress or regress.
I don't think there is such a thing as a right or wrong answer.
But for the record I was saying that it isn't black or white as you implied it (no pun intended)
I say it helped promote a divide when you stand on a stage in front of thousands with millions watching worldwide on screens and say "People don't like me because I am black!"
And you say "Well the alternative is to ignore everything!"
And I reject that those are the only two options, regardless of which option is the "right" one.
Going back to JFK he never ignored his faith, he was proud of it. So much so that it annoyed his campaigners who wanted him to hide it.
But he also never did speeches about how people hated him because he was Catholic, even though it's probably true. Because they don't do anything apart from draw lines and build walls.
Now in the 21st century hardly anyone hates Catholics to the extent that when Atheists attack them for their global protection of child rapists people get angry at the Atheistsfor bringing it up not the Cathoics for defending and allowing it.
What does that tell you about hatred disolving? and JFK had a hand in that.
I mean, is your point that religious opinions have changed in the last what, 6 decades? Are you owing that to JFK not making speeches about his religion?
Couldn't some argue that it might be better to bring to the spotlight issues that exist.
Again, I'm not saying it's either do this or do that. The choices aren't to talk about it, or ignore it. My only point is that I don't necessarily see it as a negative to bring issues to the spotlight
Edit in boldPosted with GameRaven 3.2.1UnfairRepresent posted...emblem boy posted...
What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?
That there is a sense of division and seperation and identity between "The black people" and "the white people" that is not shared between other "races"
And that intentionally or not, the Obama prediency has caused that to grow. To the extent that we now in the 21st century have the return of American Nazis in the street, race riots and people promoting segregation.
In this very topic the people claiming to be the non-racist progressives ran to the table screaming about the evil white men.
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emblem boy posted...
What should the fact that the xrace lives matter group for other groups is small and not prominent tell me?
That there is a sense of division and seperation and identity between "The black people" and "the white people" that is not shared between other "races"
And that intentionally or not, the Obama prediency has caused that to grow. To the extent that we now in the 21st century have the return of American Nazis in the street, race riots and people promoting segregation.
In this very topic the people claiming to be the non-racist progressives ran to the table screaming about the evil white men.
SO it's Obamas fault Neo-Nazis are taking rise?It's Obama's fault people are racist? f*** you
Interesting that you would have such an angry response to something like that, but seem to have no issue with the OP's insinuation that Trump is at fault instead.
Curious.Off with the horns,
On with the show!CurzonDax posted...You have no idea how important it was for lil black kids to see Obama address them. You never will understand the significance a Black President acknowledging he's been a victim of racism and understands them. White people don't care. They could never understand the significance of Obama being elected twice .They can never understand what it's like to have a President that understands you and knows your needs.
Probably not because I don't indentify myself as different and superior to others.
My successes and failures are of my own actions, I don't create myself a tribe and vicariously live through its champions.
I don't view that as a negative though.
emblem boy posted...
I mean, is your point that religious opinions have changed in the last what, 6 decades? Are you owing that to JFK not making speeches about his religion?
No it's not that simple.
I'm just trying to demonstrate how actions affect attitudes and perceptions.
JFK could have made religious divides and opinions a lot stronger had he acted differently. His actions helped shape attitudes and views. Namely that being Catholic actually wasn't a big deal or that relevant to identity.
Obama on the other hand promoted that race is a big deal and very relevant to identity. And you see the type of attitudes that grow in response to that.
I'm trying to explain a point to you.Again, I'm not saying it's either do this or do that. The choices are to talk about it, or ignore it. My only point is that I don't necessarily see it as a negative to bring issues to the spotlight
"Talk about it" is very board though
Saying "I want to kill that girl" and "I want to watch Popeye with that girl" is talking about that girl.
Feel like that is a non statement.
CurzonDax posted...
SO it's Obamas fault Neo-Nazis are taking rise?It's Obama's fault people are racist?
People are ultimately responsible for their own actions. Obama just promoted divison which lead to such idealogies being explored rather than surpassed.f*** you
You're being hysterical.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgThe Deadpool posted...Is engaging directly with a problem a step back from pretending it doesn't exist?
Well the Nazi who killed someone last weekend certainally had that logic.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgProbably not because I don't indentify myself as different and superior to others.
My successes and failures are of my own actions, I don't create myself a tribe and vicariously live through its champions.
I don't view that as a negative though.
You gotta try very hard to not get it this muchNo one gets in the way of my frisbee games! NO ONE!UnfairRepresent posted...The Deadpool posted...
Is engaging directly with a problem a step back from pretending it doesn't exist?
Well the Nazi who killed someone last weekend certainally had that logic.
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